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Beachlover’s Boyfriend Exposed!

12 Wednesday Jun 2013

Posted by Bangkokbois in Blogs & Message Boards, Gay Thailand

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Beachball has again been busy posting pix of his hotel rooms on the message boards, and as always they never have people or personal items in them. Being supposedly Asian, I have to assume he takes photos of his meals at restaurants too, but must do so before any of the food is served.

The Beach has been posting for too many years now and has trouble keeping his story straight. He went from renting sexual companionship to deploring that act, from being single to having a boyfriend. And now from having two boyfriends over the last five years to having had four. Most assume those boyfriends are as real as the rest of his life, but his latest paramour does in fact exist and we’ve got naked pix of the hottie.

Since they are from Beachball’s personal photo album I don’t think it’s right to post them where just anyone can see them, so you’ll have to Click Here for the scandalous naked photo of Beachball’s latest true love, taken at their hotel during their latest visit to Pattaya.

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The Man In The Mirror

06 Thursday Jun 2013

Posted by Bangkokbois in Blogs & Message Boards, Gay Thailand

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Beachball, Gay Thailand Forums

The new, improved ‘Bitchy Beachie’ version of what Beachball sees:

in his dreams

What the rest of the world sees:

The real Beachlover exposed

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Sunday Funnies #43

02 Sunday Jun 2013

Posted by Bangkokbois in Blogs & Message Boards, Gay Thailand, Sunday Funnies

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Beachball, Gay Thailand Forums

Beachball says: Racism  -   Don’t leave home without it.

Beachball says: Racism – Don’t leave home without it.

For Dab69, on request.

For Dab69, on request.

Timmberty/ Bertberty / Brithai / Bert and Ernie is secure in his knowledge that he is not who he doesn’t think he is.

Timmberty/ Bertberty / Brithai / Bert and Ernie is secure in his knowledge that he is not who he doesn’t think he is.

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Internet Trolling For Dummies: Being An Effective Hydra

21 Tuesday May 2013

Posted by Bangkokbois in Blogs & Message Boards, Gay Thailand

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Gay Thailand Forums

The hydra of the gay Thailand forums has little to do with the version appearing in tales of Hercules.

The hydra of the gay Thailand forums has little to do with the version appearing in tales of Hercules.

Trolling on the internet takes many forms. Flaming, and being generally disagreeable, of course, are the most common form of trolling. But where that is considered undesirable behavior at most sites on the ‘net, it’s standard practice on the gay Thailand message boards where nothing furthers the dialogue like a well-placed barb. Even if they do usually come off more like the utterings of an extra in The Boys In The Band than a witty bon mot. Even those few that consider themselves to be boards beyond such ungentlemanly-like conduct thoroughly enjoy the art of flaming. They, however, reserve that right for either the board owner, or for members to use only against those the owner or ruling clique dislike. Indeed, some would argue that flaming, defined as the act of posting or sending offensive messages over the Internet, is the very essence of the gay Thailand message board world.

Detestable, despicable, offensive, and repellent as flaming is generally considered to be elsewhere, a far more loathsome but popular crime on the gay Thailand message boards is being a hydra. It is second in popularity to flaming a member by accusing them of being a hydra. The term Hydra derives from ancient Greek mythology where it was a serpent-like water beast with reptilian traits that possessed many heads – the poets mention more heads than the vase-painters could paint, and for each head cut off it grew two more – and poisonous breath and blood so virulent even its tracks were deadly. As apt as that term may sound, hydra is a term coined and used solely on the gay Thailand message boards. Those who invent multiple personas and register numerous fictitious handles elsewhere are called sock puppets. I suspect whoever first used the term hydra was a hydra himself, preferring the expression that envisions a naked Greek godly hero battling a beast of mythological proportions over one of a smelly, tired, worn, discarded piece of clothing brought back to life by a hand that undoubtedly spends most of its life engaged in the less heroic battle of spanking the monkey.

Be that as it may, the hydra is a hallowed institution on the gay Thailand forums and as such should be honored and treated with respect. Hydras of the past were majestic creations that angered many and brought Smiles to the faces of many more. Who can forget Homitern, a creation so unforgettable that the rumor of his death out-lived the breadth of his fictitious life. Or the less stellar but undeniably effective Combat, a hydra created by Beachlover – who many would consider to be the epitome of being a hydra – to prop up and support the Beach’s frequent flaming attacks on the old and older alike.

Hydras, better known as sock puppets, often resemble their creator on the gay Thailand message boards.

Hydras, better known as sock puppets, often resemble their creator on the gay Thailand message boards.

Today, unfortunately, the comic-like fictitious hydra characters that populate the boards are a far cry from the majestic trolls that hydras once were. Taking on the persona of a cartoon character – complete with matching avatar – is one of the more popular and idiotic attempts at hydrating these days that raises a flag so false the deception is as easy to spot as a pedo in a playground. You have to wonder why they even bother. Or considering the passions of many, why they don’t instead spend their time on playgrounds.

Hunter S. Thompson gave us the memorable line, “When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.” And no where is that sentiment more applicable than on the gay Thailand message boards. Creating a hydra should not be an endeavor undertaken lightly. It’s a tradition that demands a modicum of effort to created a believable character separate enough from your own persona as to allow you to carry on protracted debate with yourself that does not come off simply as the mutterings of a friendless reprobate stewing in the morass that is his desolate life. In other words, you have to set your hydra above the level of the typical poster on the forums. With that goal in mind, here are some tips on how to be an effective hydra:

Your Character Becomes Your Destiny:
It takes great care and finesse to create a believable hydra. And like with a great wine, your hydra should mature with age. You’ll need to fully map out the characteristics of your hydra (if for no other reason than to keep this one separate from the others you have and will create). Nuances of personality are important. As is a backstory. These details will provide the basis your hydra requires to post years of inflammatory opinions and put-downs in a believable manner. How consistent and credible your hydra appears will determine its longevity.

As much as Bucknaway appears to be a hydra, the sad truth is that that is in fact his true personality.

As much as Bucknaway appears to be a hydra, the sad truth is that that is in fact his true personality.

Not that credibility should be your overarching concern. You may think that like a midget at a urinal you’re going to have to be on your toes, but as suspicious as a lot as the gay Thailand forum members are, the bar has been set so low by real forum members that no matter how outrageous are the peccadillos you come up with for your hydra they will pale in comparison. Consider Bucknaway’s 12-year-old-who-just-discovered-his-dick act as a prime example of a personality that would scream for incarceration at the closest mental-health facility in any other social setting. Or ChristianPFC’s hunt for a marginally acceptable warm, living body to fill his ideal of a perfect pair of underwear. Mark Twain must have been thinking about gay Thailand forum posting regulars when he observed that “Truth is stranger than fiction.” Do not be timid in setting the temperament of your hydra. Larger than life should be your objective or your hydra will have no hope of holding a candle to the eccentricities that pass for the norm on the message boards.

The Devil Is In The Details:
Beachlover as Hydra is without a doubt the prime character study for anyone attempting to create a believable hydra. Even though that persona is his primary one for posting, it is the embodiment of the internet troll and serves well as an example of creating and managing a hydra. The all important details you decide to use should be specific enough to be credible but general enough to prevent being caught out in the fantasies you’ll weave. CDNMatt’s wholehearted belief in Beachball’s authenticity proves the effectiveness of using non-specific but consistent details to flesh out your hydra, though it also makes you wonder if ignorance really is bliss then why isn’t Matt the happiest person in the world.

The Devil Wears Prada:
Style too is an important part of your hydra’s make-up. It should carefully match its backstory, the details of which you will slowly reveal over time. Grammar and word use should be appropriate to the age and ethnicity of your hydra. But don’t over do it. Obvious hydras rely too strongly on slang and ethnocentric grammar usage, a common mistake that is readily evident in the half dozen hydras being managed by a single poster on the Bitch Board. Purposely misspelling words and committing errors of grammar too should be avoided both because it is a ploy easy to spot and because Brithai/Timmberty/Bertyberttimmy/Bert And Ernie whose masterful mangling of the English language is causing LMTU to roll in his grave out of jealousy already holds title to being the ignorant bastard with not enough pride to communicate in something resembling his native language.

The Loneliest Wombat had some hydra friends, but even they abandoned him.

The Loneliest Wombat had some hydra friends, but even they abandoned him.

Despicable Me:
Don’t just be rude and obnoxious. To be a valuable member of the hydra community you need to stir emotions through well-crafted derisive remarks. As a gay man you are supposed to be skilled at this art. Aspire to ridicule via the subtle snark. Even those who suspect you are a hydra will cut you slack if your abuse is skillfully applied. Read any of Boo Hoo’s post to see how not to do this.

The right to post boring cut and paste news items that are of no interest and news to no one and then claim they have been emailed to you by a nonexistent friend is a right that is reserved strictly for use by the Lonely Wombat, a man sunk so deep in his personal misery that he radiates broadband resentment. Boring is not an option for a good hydra. The majority of forum posters already rely on the weight of their own thoughts to make them feel like they are not alone. They will despise the reflective nature of your hydra if you claim this trait for your own.

Home Is Where The Heart Is:
Choosing which board or boards you decide to register your hydra to is of utmost importance. Baht Stop, for example, is a board filled with the hydras of a very small handful of members, and a few other folk too stupid to realize it. The quality of hydra there is low and child-like in effort, though in their defense they are dealing with a membership with a child-like mentality. Baht Stop truly is a case of too many freaks, not enough circuses. If you have any pride, you will not sully the reputation of your hydra by posting to this forum of the dipsomaniacal and dispossessed.

A good hydra has a sharp, biting tongue  -  always remember that trolling is the primary purpose behind creating a hydra.

A good hydra has a sharp, biting tongue – always remember that trolling is the primary purpose behind creating a hydra.

At first glance Gay Thailand may seem like a good board for your hydra to call home. The half dozen members of that board welcome new members with open arms, assuming that anyone boring enough to want to join them must share in their cherished state of vacuity. But within a few posts they will turn on you like a pack of rabid dogs intent on eating their young. But they will address you as Khun in the meantime. If you can’t resist planting your hydra on this board, use Khun in your hydra’s name, That will drive them batshit crazy.

The Bitch Board, a multi-headed hydra itself, is a place no self-respecting hydra would allow himself to be seen posting. The hydras there make the hydras on Baht Stop – which of course are in many cases the creations of the same few miserable Pattaya expats – look like comic geniuses. I mean smurf, smurf? Really? Besides, Da Boss’ was a hydra is no longer a hydra but no one was fooled or gives a fuck anyway’s rantings have taken over on that board and it is now nothing more than a commentary on the dangers of retiring to the Sodom and Gomorrah of SE Asia with more money than brains when your mental health is already suffering from years of self-inflicted depravity and abuse.

Cruising Gay Thailand, the new kid on the block that has as much chance at survival as a Mayfly, was conceived by a hydra who barely lasted two full days. Run by a man who has trouble remembering which shoe goes on which foot, it may seem a worthy board for your hydra if for no better reason than the challenge laid down against hydra use by its owner. But that’s like stealing candy from a baby, or buying tainted soup from a Pattaya kitchen. You don’t want to degenerate your hydra’s reputation by having it appear on this forum. You may, however, want to register your hydra’s name on Cruising Gay Thailand to reserve and protect its use, which appears to be crucial to the regular posters on the gay Thailand forums. Because god forbid you wouldn’t want some other fan of the debauchery that passes for a sex life in Sunee to sully your reputation.

Some Baht Stop members have so many hydras you have to wonder how they manage to enjoy their sex life.

Some Baht Stop members have so many hydras you have to wonder how they manage to enjoy their sex life.

Gay Button’s blog on the other hand can be a fun temporary home for your hydra. Jabba The Butt prides himself on his ability to sniff out hydras, but the scent of a cheese danish anywhere within five miles is enough to throw him off his game. Too busy preforming his duties as the Sultan of Sunee, Jabba generally relies on his overbearing and obnoxious nature to drive away hydras – and any other member with an ounce of self-awareness or self-respect – from his blog. Gay Button Thai, however, is a good board to practice with a newly created hydra before taking it to the big time. Where your initial poorly crafted postings might be ignored elsewhere, you know Jabba can not control himself from posting an answer to each and every post made by a member of his merry little band of kiddie lovers. So go for it. Besides, he can use the exercise.

If you are serious about your hydras the only board you should be posting to is the grandfather of all hydra homes, Sawatdee Gay Thailand. This is where the hydra was invented and where the hydras of renown still reside today. A forum filled with wizened oldsters celebrating decades of mutual dislike, anything other than the most carefully crafted hydra will have as much impact as a sparrow’s belch in a typhoon on SGT. This is Broadway to the other board’s regional theater and introducing your hydra to the other hydras on this board requires a deft touch. Being masters of hydradom themselves, they can spot a fake quicker than Scottish-Guy is to get his panties in a wad over misinterpreting a basic compound sentence. But at the same time, as the history of the boards have shown us, they are firm believers and participants in that old adage of fool me once . . .

Your best bet is to let a Smiles be your umbrella. Emulation is, of course, the sincerest form of flatulence. Start slow, engage a simpleton easy to anger, such as Kunt12 by referring to him as Kunt12. Or mentioning Phuket in a favorable light. Then work your way up to AK-47 whose chain is as easy to pull. The amount of time it takes him to carefully craft a multiple-sourced and quoted reply that absolutely no one other than AK-47 will ever bother to read is the exact type of impact you are looking for in using your hydra. With its long history of hydra-use there is some danger in attempting to use anything other than the most skillfully crafted hydra on SGT, but fortunately jinx is the sole moderator these days and is so busy making up for lost time with deletions, thread locks, and moving the offending to some unknown place in outer space he has no time or interest in ferreting out new hydras. Unless it’s a new one of Da Boss’.

Do not drink while posing as a hydra. Oh wait . . . you’re probably a Pattaya sexpat. Never mind.

Do not drink while posing as a hydra. Oh wait . . . you’re probably a Pattaya sexpat. Never mind.

The Best Offense Is A Good Defense.
Or maybe that’s the other way around. Doesn’t matter. The nice thing about hydra accusations is none of the board owners or moderators are intelligent enough to actually be able to determine who is and who is not a hydra, a skill that a 12-year-old with a smartphone could easily master. That means everyone is fair game. If your hydra is accused of being a hydra, throw that accusation back in your accuser’s face. And then use another of your hydras to second the motion. If all else fails, you can always create a new hydra to replace the one that suffered an early death.

Practice Makes Perfect:
With new boards and old boards under new ownership, this is the perfect time for you to begin creating a few hydras of your own. That endeavor, however, can be rife with problems, mistakes are easy to make at first, and no one wants to ruin a good hydra with errors committed in its infancy. To that end I will help you to post hydra-like messages on SGT until you have the knack down pat, or my non-hydra handle gets banned from the board, or I get a good laugh out of someone’s efforts. Feel free to log in under my user name, Rush, Yet Again. The password is freehydrause. Please do not edit my signature, but otherwise, have fun, Do me proud. And no worries, I probably have several other identities to post under there anyway.

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The King Is Dead, Long Live The King

03 Friday May 2013

Posted by Bangkokbois in Blogs & Message Boards, Gay Thailand

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thai silk 1

For those who read or participate on the gay Thailand forums, it isn’t news that the helm at SGT has been passed on to a new owner as of the beginning of this month. After a lengthy round of farewells, Neal, AKA Da Boss, has moved on to the next stage of his life’s journey. And I wish him well. While I both agreed with and disagreed with – and more often was totally confused by – his decisions as the board’s owner, I’m not taking this opportunity to trash him. I’m using this opportunity to trash the new owner, Surfcrest, instead. Not out of spite, or because I have something against the man, but rather because I just posted three days of lengthy articles and need a break. So it was this or a Smells Like Science post. I figured I’d cut the baby in half and call it a Smells Like A New Board Owner post.

Upon reading Surfcrest’s announcement that he was taking things over, my first reaction was: Who? And then I remembered the long, long, lengthy, boring, long, thread that expanded into several equally long, long, lengthy, boring, long accompanying threads over his claim he’d been shortchanged by $15 at Neal’s bar. I don’t know how much The Crusty Surfer paid for SGT, but that old adage about once bitten twice shy springs immediately to mind.

More recently I recall a thread the man started that was so engaging no one bothered to respond. It was a homage to his Jim Thompson Silk fetish, replete with a memorable scene of him screaming at a customer who’d dared to touch a silk tie in an inappropriate manner. That doesn’t necessarily bode well for the future of the board, though I will give him credit for being capable of forming complete and grammatically correct sentences. Which will be a nice change. I’ll also give him credit for finally giving me an excuse to upload the photos I’m using in this post. I don’t know about every cloud having a silver lining, but you can always find a use for pictures of hot, near naked, young men. Or at least I can.

thai silk 2

Despite past posts, Surfy’s opening shot as owner came across as a reasonably intelligent and well-thought out piece, with a promise to keep his personal grudges and prejudices in check while allowing forum members to be what they will be. It was a breath of fresh air. Even if not one long enough to sustain life. Surfy, by Day #2 of his rule, has already got into it with Timmberty / Britthai / etc., etc., etc., stating the real reason for the delay in his taking over the board was having to come to terms with having to deal with TBEEE. In doing so, he claims, he has made a great sacrifice for SGT. So SGT board owner martyrdom hasn’t gone by the wayside. Just wait until he hears what TBEEE did to the ties at the Jim Thompson Silk outlet on his last visit.

Love him, hate him, or just laugh at him, TBEEE provides a much needed relief to the boards when members begin taking themselves too seriously. That applies equally well to comments he occasionally makes on this blog. In most cases if what he posts offends you, it’s because he had one too many when he wrote whatever it was he attempted to write. And will gladly admit so when you call him on it. It’s not like he’s consistently belligerent like AK47, so I’m not sure why he rubs Surfcrest the wrong way.

Be that as it may, The Crusty Surfer’s new reign has already allowed those who left the board when Neal began being Neal to resurface, and I’m pleased to see Smiles participating again (and sincerely hope he will soon post a photo of Pot’s beautiful derriere – I’ve missed that even more than Smiles’ occasionally convoluted mutterings that often reach garbled proportions worthy of the late and great LMTU). Boo Hoo also has already chimed back in too with his typical not subtle though he thinks it is brand of bitchery. But then there are few who can remind one and all of what a complete cunt they are in but a single brief sentence, so while I’d be less than pleased with that development, I do need new fodder for my Sunday Funnies posts so it’s all good. I mean it’s not like the Scotsman and his troupe of tainted trollops from the lands of the Queen have yet returned to the roost. And Fountainspew has proclaimed he’s sticking to his snit fit never to return. So there is, after all, a god.

thai silk 3

Jabba The Butt can’t be real pleased that his is no longer the board by default for those who disagreed with Da Boss, but Surfy has made it clear that SGT will go back to its strict policy against allowing posts defending child diddling, so Jabba is at least safe in still cornering that segment of the market. It’s good to see that Surfcrest disapproves of child molestation as much as he does silk tie molestation. And for that I’m thankful, as well as hopeful about the future of SGT.

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Ooops!

18 Monday Mar 2013

Posted by Bangkokbois in Blogs & Message Boards, Gay Thailand

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Blogs

ooops

Someone – and it could not have possibly been me as you all know I absolutely never make mistakes – scheduled the posts for this last weekend, March 16 and 17, quite properly until it came to the year. So they did not magically appear as they usually do when I’m away for the weekend. Apologies for whoever it was that screwed up.

The good news is that rather than delete those posts from the queue, I’m leaving them to run on their scheduled dates. In 2014. Mark your calendars, you’ll be glad to have a few additional gay/Thailand posts this time next year ‘cuz I’ll be just finishing up my extensive coverage of the 2014 Olympics around then.

Sunday Funnies #39

10 Sunday Mar 2013

Posted by Bangkokbois in Blogs & Message Boards, Gay Thailand

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Boo Hoo rides off into the sunset and all anyone notices is the horse’s ass.

Boo Hoo rides off into the sunset and all anyone notices is the horse’s ass.

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A Thai, A Ladyboy, And A Christian Walk Into A Bar . . .

09 Saturday Mar 2013

Posted by Bangkokbois in Blogs & Message Boards, Gay Thailand

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I Lie You!

I Lie You!

I’m not a big fan of sex tales posted as trip reports on the gay Thailand forums. I really don’t need to read about how big of an unclean cock AK47 bought to suck on his last visit. But when it’s more about the circumstances than the size, those posts can be enjoyable. Or at least good for a laugh.

Christian just posted about his latest outing, which ended up involving an aging ladyboy and a younger Thai guy. Scandalous! Fortunately his story was short on details. Though when the video hits YouTube all will be revealed. So I couldn’t let his slide into the world of sleaze pass without comment, even if it is a pictorial one honoring his love of pussy. Especially as this one looks to be right up his alley these days.

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Pedoes In Paradise

07 Thursday Mar 2013

Posted by Bangkokbois in Blogs & Message Boards, Gay Thailand

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Pedo 1

A recent raid at one of Pattaya’s bars that specializes in offering underage kids for punters to diddle – and yup, that’d be in Sunee Plaza – is the hot topic on at least two of the gay Thailand message boards right now. It has been getting the kind of participation seldom seen on Jabba The Butt’s board, but then that’s not surprising. Jabba – who has strongly advocated lowering the age of consent in the past and once ran a poll on the preferred age of bar boys, the low-end option of which started at the age of 8 – has always been a big fan of allowing child molesters to have free reign in his little corner of the internet. And while that is not true for SGT where once the P word was verboten, it’s good to see that except for a few Joes, Pattaya devotees are finally owning up to what everyone already knew: if you are looking for little kids to abuse Pattaya is the place for you. But if you are not in Thailand, no worries. The message boards too will extend a warm hand of welcome if child molestation is your thing.

The raid, as reported by several local news organizations, occurred at the Mic My bar earlier this week. In a joint operation between Thai immigration authorities and Social Welfare Officials 17 boys aged between 14 and 17 were found inside the bar. The boys were all available for sex in short-time rooms above the bar.

The bar manager and cashier were detained and are expected to be charged with human trafficking offences, and foreign patrons inside the bar were told to stay where they were until they were later taken to the Immigration Office in Jomtien where their immigration status was checked. A ‘lookout’ employee stationed outside the bar was also arrested and the bar’s owner is expected to be arrested once he is located.

The raid was the focus of an undercover operation, with an officer inside of the bar purchasing a young boy for sex from the mamasan. It had been planned after Immigration discovered that the bar had been smuggling boys under the age of 18 to work in the bar offering sexual service to Thai and foreign tourists.
Or as Jabba put it: “Oh well, there hasn’t been a raid at Sunee Plaza for quite awhile, so I guess a ‘let’s harass Sunee Plaza’ raid was about due . . .”

News of the raid of course should have been greeted on the boards with outrage over the underage sex coupled with gratitude that someone is finally doing something about the pedoes in paradise. But instead Jabba’s band of merry men read it as a warning that you should always carry a copy of your passport with you. I guess when child molesters are part of your daily life the more immediate concern is your own well-being. Though to be fair, the Irish contingent took a different tact, demanding that the police, mayor, and TAT explain their new policy that targets patrons of the city’s gay bars for persecution.

While one member of Jabba’s forum took the time to make several posts detailing his numerous visits to Mic My as well as another bar known to specialize in offering little kids to pedoes on the prowl, and took umbrage at another’s comment that punters should walk out of any bar where they witness underage employees being diddled by customers with the statement that then “there would be no Bars in Sunee and only 1 or 2 in BoysTown that you could enter”, Jabba was satisfied that “things are very different today than years ago. Most Sunee Plaza bars now hire only boys who are at least 18+ years old”.

Pedo 2

A poster over at SGT seconded that motion going as far as to say that Mic My is the best run bar in Pattaya and, at worse, there are only a few underage bar boys working there at any given time. Even the Canadian contingent chimed in wanting to dispute the number of underage boys reported to have been caught up in the sweep saying, “I’ve spent loads of time in Sunee, and sure I’ve seen the odd guy who was quite obviously underage, but never have I walked into a bar and seen 17 of them.” Because evidently in Pattaya it’s not the act but its frequency that matters.

On both of the boards punters were livid that the bar’s customers had been taken to the police station. They felt that was wrong since there certainly is nothing illegal about sitting in a bar watching little naked kids cavort around the stage. They were equally incensed at the idea that as a customer they have any responsibility for failing to object to having little kids available for sex at their favorite bar, and Jabba said it was the responsibility of the police to put a stop to child molestation, not his. Much as you would have no responsibility for stopping at a red light but could just run it instead ‘cuz it’s the police department’s responsibility to enforce traffic laws, not yours to obey them.

Not long ago on SGT in another thread about pedoes in paradise one of the more despicable members quailed at the idea that that was a topic appropriate to a gay message board, saying that pedophilia has nothing to do with being gay. And he’s right. Pedophiles, pederasts, and kiddie molesters are about abuse, not sex. Just as rape is not about sex. Unfortunately he is also wrong. Because the gay community, especially in Pattaya, allows – and even welcomes – pedophiles to hide among them. And they are welcomed on the gay Thailand message boards too.

Jabba can claim he’s against underage sex all he wants, and he can claim he ‘votes with his feet’ but when you also advocate the lowering of the age of consent and run a message board where you allow members to specify ‘young boys’ as their interest, when you refuse to allow anyone to say negative things about your favorite haunt even though it has a well deserved rep for being a place where it’s easy to find children to prey upon, and when you want to blame the police, authorities, corruption, and anyone or anything else you can think of for the problem rather than the kiddie molesters . . . well, your actions speak much louder than your words.

The bar owners who hire children to service their customers only do so for one reason: money. The gay community in Pattaya can put a stop to the underage problem by refusing to patronize any bar that hires children. It’s not enough to say that you aren’t interested in the little kids and only off those of legal age. By continuing to help swell those bar owners’ bank accounts you are giving them your implicit approval to continue to abuse kids. One bar owner popped into the thread on SGT to pat himself on the back for refusing to hire underage kids. And he should be commended. But what does it say of that town when he is the exception to the rule? What is the message being sent when the practice is so prevalent that a bar owner expects accolades for not engaging in child prostitution?

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It’s not like the problem with Mic My is new, or that it is only that bar. That it is one of the bars that specializes in offering young boys to pedophiles is not news, that rep has been around for sometime now. So have the sorry excuses for human beings who patronize the place. And they’re well represented on the boards. A simple search on SGT for Mic My brings up countless stories of “all the fun’ to be had there, along with the following quotes:

“My Mic has many assortments on the younger side as well as Nice Boys.”

“This bar seems to get raided more than others, so if your afraid of that then better not go there.”

“I am glad MIc My is still doing their thing. Id hate to go back there and see it gone.”

“My kind of place was Mic My. Tom Yum and the like so you know where my tastes were.”

“Mic My gogo soi VC if you like younger looking boys. Pattaya is by far best place.”

“There is no doubt if you have young boys in Sunee, the customers will increase dramatically.”

“You only have to look at the recent Bar New Sawatdee before it was closed. I stopped there once at 9pm and there were no seats and it was very easy to see why.”

Whenever the subject comes up on the boards the same tired excuses and discombobulations get pulled out once again. Innocent until proven guilty, it’s not just a problem in Pattaya, what about a 19 year old dating a 17 year old, you can’t believe what you read in the news, it’s not pedophilia it’s pederasty, it’s too difficult to read a Thai’s age, in some countries the age of consent is only 16 . . . none of which really addresses the issue. But does provide the smoke and mirrors pedophiles hide behind.

A new poster who’d been lurking for several years on SGT felt so welcomed by the conversation over the raid at Mic My that he made his first post claiming 90% of punters in Pattaya only like boys in their late teens to early twenties because they look like they are 14 or 15; ‘back home’ you’d have to actually have sex with underage kids while in Pattaya you can have the pleasure without its legal ramifications. He went on quite nonchalantly to say those after the 14-17 age boys in Pattaya really want 10 year olds. As though that thought was perfectly normal and was certainly not meant as a condemnation of those with that type of urge. To him Pattaya is where you go to have sex with boys who would land you in jail back home.

Of course he also wanted to make sure everyone knew he’s a pederast and not a pedophile. And claimed at heart so are his fellow fans of Sunee Plaza. Because when you are into molesting little kids it’s important to claim the correct label. I’d hope he is an exception to the rule, but his opinion of Pattaya devotees does explain why those who don’t engage in kiddie abuse ignore the problem of those who do: Many of them share the pedophile’s sickness in desire if not in action. When a child molester is arrested, for them it is a case of ‘There but for the grace of God, go I.’

It’s a shame that as the gay community is finding acceptance worldwide and opinions from those outside the community are changing, we still have to deal with the reputation of being a bunch of men who like to molest little kids. It’s even a greater shame that those of us who love Thailand are even further branded as child molesters. But then it’s difficult to convince others that we are not a bunch of pedophiles when by our inaction and preference for making excuses we allow pedophiles to be an accepted part of our community. Both on-line and in Pattaya.

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Ubiquitous Plastic Stool Shot #27

08 Tuesday Jan 2013

Posted by Bangkokbois in Bangkok, Blogs & Message Boards, Gay Thailand, Travel Photography

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Ubiquitous Plastic Stool Shot #27

Now that the holidays are over I’ve been catching up with my on-line reading, visiting some of the sites I always enjoy but don’t have enough time to drop by daily. Ilbonito’s blog is one of those. He’s been visiting Thailand again and has a great collection of posts covering Bangkok and Chiang Mai. Part of why I enjoy his blog so much is the photography. He tends to take the type of photos that I do. That he has posted an exemplary Ubiquitous Plastic Stool Shot! proves that.

Most of his posts are visual; text, if there is any, is sparse. His most recent round of Thailand-related posts, however, include several in which he provides a great commentary on the area he visited as well as on places well-known to most of us. And the bastard is as talented at writing as he is with his photography. I’m thinking of just posting links to his posts every day instead of bothering to write stuff myself. His post on Sukhumvit is one of the best descriptive pieces I’ve ever run across. I think I hate him. And once you get a load of his hottie husband, you’ll hate him too. No one is supposed to have that much talent and that much hotness in his life. I should report him to the gods.

But instead I’m going to order his book, Bangkok Off The Grid. If it contains even a quarter of the information he posts on his blog it’s a steal. A (mainly) gay bar that opens up in one of the storefronts at the Weekend Market at night? Sweet! And I never heard of it before. He also makes mention of one of my favorite blues bars in Bangkok . . . I’m willing to forgive him for the hot husband knowing he’s a fellow fan of the blues.

I’m beginning to sense a familiar theme to Ilbonito’s photography . . .

I’m beginning to sense a familiar theme to Ilbonito’s photography . . .

I still enjoy visiting Wat Pho; I’ve been to the Grand Palace more times than necessary (but have to admit it is impressive and worth visiting more than once), by now I’m looking for something different to occupy my time when I’m in Bangkok. A zoo on top of a department store? A temple on the 35th floor of a skyscraper? Sign me up. Subtitled ‘The kitsch, the cool and the bizarre – a guide to the secret sides of the world’s weirdest city,’ his guidebook has an edgy look to it that matches its promised content. You can’t help but be drawn to the large, bold, jarring text: bludgeoned to death with a dildo. And while he tells you where to go and what to see – complete with instructions in Thai for your taxi driver – he also includes stories and interviews that raise his book above the typical offering of the guidebook genre. You can check out a 10 page preview from the publisher’s website. And catch yet another Ubiquitous Plastic Stool Shot! too.

Not that you have to shell out a few bucks for his book. His blog too provides lots of good tips about some of his more unusual finds in Thailand. I’ve already made a note that I need to check out Wat Ket Karam in Chiang Mai – the temple has a collection of photographs of old time executions in Chiang Mai’s city square. And a termite carved piece of wood replicating Van Gogh’s ‘Sunflowers’ . . . how cool is that! You can easily spend hours just perusing his posts on Chiang Mai alone. Which, having just discovered he has written about his trip to Burma too, I’m about to do . . .

If you haven’t check out his blog yet, do yourself a favor and use one of the links in this post, or the link to his home page in my blog roll below. You can thank me later.

The Ubiquitous Plastic Stool in this shot is a bonus, the scene screams Bangkok and makes me want to go jump on a plane right now.

The Ubiquitous Plastic Stool in this shot is a bonus, the scene screams Bangkok and makes me want to go jump on a plane right now.

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